Geert Lovink on Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:17:34 +0100 (CET) |
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joi ito is trouwens in amsterdam deze week en is een van de sprekers op de creative capital conferentie. geert On 14 Mar 2005, at 10:32 AM, Geert Lovink wrote: > http://joi.ito.com/ > > 18:00 JST » Joi's Diary - Media and Journalism - Sharing Economy > > Yesterday, I had a meeting with some of the Italian Indymedia > community at a squat. In most countries squatters are considered > criminals and local law has very little tolerance for them. In Italy, > the squat scene is the center of a lot of the sub-culture and > alternative media. After years of resistance, many of the squats on > property which was owned by the local government have been officially > recognized by the government in various degrees. The squats have > events including debates and parties. They have kitchens, living > quarters, and in the case of the squat I went to last night, a > computer lab (called "bugs") that teaches people how to switch from > Microsoft to Linux and allows free Internet access to anyone who wants > to drop by. > > After the chat in the bugs computer room, we went to dinner at a > centrosociale. It was similar to a squat in that it was also > originally illegally occupied, but the place we went to was on the > upscale end. The food was excellent and they had lots of posters and > pamphlets describing the organic farming methods they used to grow > their produce. > > Internet penetration in Italy is quite low and the Berlusconi media > machine controls most of what people see. On the other hand, the left > wing are fighting hand and fist (literally) with the right wing > radicals. Free speech was something that people were fighting for, in > many cases outside of the law. At a tactical level, my discussion > about freedom of expression and our "Infrastructure of Democracy" idea > of fighting bad speech with more good speech sounded a bit idealistic. > What was interesting to me was the power and the energy of the > alternative media movement. It reminds me of my theory on good > alternative music. When there is a huge force pressing down on > freedoms, sub-cultures with more creativity and power are likely to > form. > ______________________________________________________ > * Verspreid via nettime-nl. Commercieel gebruik niet > * toegestaan zonder toestemming. <nettime-nl> is een > * open en ongemodereerde mailinglist over net-kritiek. > * Meer info, archief & anderstalige edities: > * http://www.nettime.org/. > * Contact: Menno Grootveld (rabotnik@xs4all.nl). > > ______________________________________________________ * Verspreid via nettime-nl. Commercieel gebruik niet * toegestaan zonder toestemming. <nettime-nl> is een * open en ongemodereerde mailinglist over net-kritiek. * Meer info, archief & anderstalige edities: * http://www.nettime.org/. * Contact: Menno Grootveld (rabotnik@xs4all.nl).